This is mostly a great article! I would also rather share a foxhole with an agnostic who is trying to find and do the truth than with a ‘Christian’ who doesn’t uphold the truth nor does he really love his brother.
And I agree with Chuck here. Jesse Ventura comes to mind; though, some of his positions concern me:
In speeches all over America, I have surprised many Christian people when I say, I would rather vote for an unbeliever who would preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution, than vote for a believer who would NOT preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution.
But I would probably disagree with Chuck’s reasoning here:
Of course, I can hear many Christians now saying under their breath, “But we need REAL Christians in public office.”
Chuck lists the recent ‘Christian’ Presidents who have unconstitutionally misled America, and then says:
Forget the rhetoric! Forget the label! Forget the religious piety! If our public servants do not submit themselves to the Constitution to which they swore an oath before God and men, they are liars and frauds and should be treated as such!
Had these men been REAL Christians they could be “liars and frauds,” according to what the Bible really says: Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way | Who are the Children of God?
And REAL Christians love their neighbors even if he wears a turban and she wears a burka — and they live overseas where we can’t hear the bombs go off or see the blood — which is not true of:
Sarah Palin demonstrates why most evangelicals dissed Ron Paul, who wanted to bring the troops home. ‘Christians’ have two sets of books: one for US and one for THEM (“who don’t deserve rights”). THEY’re not our ‘neighbor’ whom Jesus commanded US to love as much as ourselves. Maybe that’s why most evangelicals refuse to investigate 9/11. If THEY didn’t take down the towers…???
Jesus said “Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God.” Most ‘Christians’ supported George W. Bush even in his second term when he was clearly pro-torture and pro-murder.
As a Baptist pastor, Chuck probably has a standard Baptist view as to what is a REAL Christian is, which unfortunately differs from what the Bible really says. This is probably why we differ slightly here.
Clearly, many agnostics are more Christian than most ‘Christians.’
And many agnostics would become Christians if most ‘Christians’ were REAL Christians.
Then reverse-Christian politicians could no longer get away with calling themselves ‘Christians.’
Jeff Fenske
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From: Chuck Baldwin Live
Letter From An Agnostic
I couldn’t count how many times I’ve heard a sincere Christian say to me, “Chuck, all we have to do is elect more Christians to public office.” I wish it was only that easy! The fact is we have been electing “Christians” to public office for decades. In fact, when is the last time you voted for someone who did NOT proclaim to be a Christian? Most everyone in public office claims to be a Christian. In my whole life, I never remember a candidate for public office saying, “Vote for me; I’m an atheist.” Do you?
Richard Nixon claimed to be a Christian; Gerald Ford claimed to be a Christian; Jimmy Carter claimed to be a Christian (he even taught Sunday School and took alcohol out of the White House); Ronald Reagan claimed to be a Christian; Bill Clinton claimed to be a Christian (how many times did we see Clinton on his way to church with his giant-print Bible under his arm?); George Bush I and II claimed to be a Christian. Bush II held prayer meetings in the White House we are told. Even Barack Obama claims to be a Christian. Ditto for virtually every congressman and senator ever elected. Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, men and women, whites and blacks: they all claim to be Christians. If electing “Christians” was all we needed to do, we should be in the Millennial Kingdom by now!
Of course, I can hear many Christians now saying under their breath, “But we need REAL Christians in public office.” And, of course, the people saying this are the ones who are qualified to know which ones are REAL Christians and which ones aren’t. Right?
In speeches all over America, I have surprised many Christian people when I say, I would rather vote for an unbeliever who would preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution, than vote for a believer who would NOT preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution.
When a civil magistrate assumes public office, he or she does not swear an oath to be a “good Christian,” or to be a “good conservative,” or to read their Bible and pray everyday. What they do swear to, however, is to “preserve, protect, and defend” the US Constitution.
The reason why it doesn’t matter to a hill of beans whether we elect Republicans or Democrats, or liberals or conservatives, or Baptists or Catholics, etc., is because, for the most part, none of them cares one iota about honoring their oath of office to be faithful to the Constitution! But holding our elected officials to the Constitution should be the primary focus of any public servant’s constituents. Forget the rhetoric! Forget the label! Forget the religious piety! If our public servants do not submit themselves to the Constitution to which they swore an oath before God and men, they are liars and frauds and should be treated as such!
But, because the vast majority of Americans do not themselves understand, appreciate, and value fidelity to the Constitution, they are content to let their politicians routinely ignore and trample constitutional government. Therefore, Christian Democrats cheer the unconstitutional, loathsome policies and decisions of “Christian” Jimmy Carter, and Christian Republicans cheer the unconstitutional, loathsome policies and decisions of “Christian” George W. Bush.
And, as Sonny and Cher sang, “The Beat Goes On.” And the rush toward bigger and bigger government, less and less freedom, and more and more socialism goes on–all these “Christians” in public office notwithstanding.
In the midst of all this duplicity and chicanery come honest, freedom-loving, constitutionalists of all stripes, shapes, and sizes: men and women from all persuasions, backgrounds, and education who understand the principles of constitution government enough to be truly considered a friend of freedom. That’s why I have often said, not all Christians are our friends, and not all unbelievers are our enemies.
Case in point…
The understanding, wisdom, and character that is represented in the above blog is rarely demonstrated in any church, from any churchman, or from any pastor! I would sooner share a foxhole with this agnostic (and try to win him to the Lord at the same time) than with many professing Christians.
When did we Christians lose our character? When did we lose our honor? When did we forget what it means to be Freemen? When did we forget the principles of constitutional government? When did we lose our understanding of Natural Law and Natural Rights?
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